NZ Bus chief executive Bruce Emson has sent me a detailed email response to my comments about the new Snapper smart card’s introductory problems coming under the Consumer Guarantees Act, and problems with the introduction of the card on Wellington buses. I am publishing it in full while I consider the implications. Comments are welcome.
Says Bruce Emson:
The implementation of a new ticketing system and introducing a new way for customers to pay for their busfare is a significant one for a business which transports 55,000 customers per day. Particularly one where a change in both driver and customer behaviour is required.
This is a significant change management process and it is to be expected that hiccups may occur from time to time as people become accustomed to the changes in behaviour required. You can be assured that we have processes in place to deal with these as and when they occur.
You speak of cards not reading. The most commons reasons for customer frustration such as you have experienced with cards not reading include;
Insufficient funds: A number of card holders do not have sufficient funds on their card to pay for the minimum fare on their route. We are introducing in the next week the ability for a remaining balance to be displayed on the reader as a visual reminder of fund levels. This will occur only if the value on the card is $12 or less.
Incorrect tagging on: The most common cause of an invalid read is where some customers use a swiping motion when they tag on, similar to how they might use an access card. This can provide you with a failed read. To successfully use tag on, you must hold your card up close to the reader and hold it still for around half a second until the green circle is displayed. The transaction takes around half a second to complete. International experience shows that customers quickly become accustomed to the change in behavior required, and this is reinforced by the feedback of our customers as they become increasingly familiar with how to use it. To assist people to tag on correctly there are brochures, the snapper ambassadors you spoke of are travelling the city on buses to coach people how to use snapper correctly and most latterly a small video has been produced which will be available on our web, able to be emailed to customers who have inquires and able to played on those buses fitted with televisions.
No value on the card: We have become aware of a number of customers who have purchased snapper cards but have failed to load value on them. If a card with no value is presented to the snapper reader on the bus, it fails to identify the card correctly and shows a please try again message. This is an unexpected circumstance and a two prong fix has been put in place to deal with this. We are updating our software on buses over the next weeks. This will ensure that a more appropriate message is put in place advising customers of the requirement to load fund onto their card before they use it for the first time. Snapper is working with their retailer network to ensure that customers understand that if they buy a card that it needs to be loaded with value before it can be used.
Faulty readers: We are putting a process in place whereby all readers are tested on each bus before they depart each morning. It is worth while pointing out that since April there have been 7 faulty readers in total. On these rare occasions, the drivers contact control via radio communication to advise them of the situation and receive support to resolve any issues. On such occasions where the reader is genuinely faulty, snapper card holders would be provided with a free ride.
As you can see many of the common issues our drivers and customers are experiencing relate to getting used to a new way of doing things. It is worth pointing out from our operational logs and subsequent investigations that the vast majority of the suspected faulty readers were in fact readers that were working normally but were being presented with cards that had not yet had value loaded onto them.
International studies show that as people (both customers and drivers) become more familiar with the new systems they will become increasingly confident using it.
Consumer Guarantees Act: It is important to point out that Snapper is not a bus ticket. It is a method of payment we accept on the bus to pay for a bus fare. It is Snapper Services who provide the Snapper system which is a payment system used for various types of transactions, including bus fares. Snapper Services is responsible for the performance of that payment system and any issues experienced with Snapper cards should be taken up with Snapper Services directly.
Go Wellington provides bus transport services for a fare and offers the use of the snapper card as a means of payment for the benefit of the customer. Just as when you pay for a product using eftpos- should your eftpos fail, you will be required to complete the transaction using another form of payment. If for some reason your card fails on the bus, the customer must pay the fare in another way, by cash or some other acceptable method.
If the reader on the bus were identified to be genuinely faulty, on that occasion and that occasion only, would we permit a customer to ride free of charge.
[GPS]:You have questions around GPS coordinates. The GPS inconsistencies you experienced appeared to be the result of a driver error where incorrect trip information has been loaded in at the start of the journey. The consequence of this is the system may not be able to identify where the stops for a given route are. These are the type of teething issues that you might expect as we manage change throughout the business.
Drivers have undertaken intensive training, but we must be cognizant of the fact that the new ticketing system represents a change in behavior and one in which it will take some time to become confident.
Additional training is being provided for those who are struggling to make the change. For those drivers who experience difficulties on the road, there is a dedicated resource available via radio communications should a driver have a technical issue with their ability to operate their system on bus.
Travelling with others: You are quite correct in that the new ticketing system has a multi person transaction capability. If you are travelling with others and wish to pay for the fares of more than one person using your snapper card, you can go to the driver and ask to conduct a multi-person transaction. Say for example you are an adult travelling with a senior and a child, the driver will record this on the console. You will be provided with the opportunity to tag on. You will get charged an adult fee 25% off the cash price of a single adult fare*.The senior will get charged at the senior cash fare minus 20% discount. The child will get charged at child cash fare minus 20% discount. You must remember to tag off as you exit to conclude your journey or all three persons will get charged a penalty fare.
It is only available to two or more persons travelling together going to the same destination .You are right however that this slows down the speed of boarding for other customers. We have deliberately not promoted this as a key feature at this time, because we want to give our drivers every opportunity to become fully familiar with the system and do not want to slow down the boarding process.
Microsoft Vista: I note one of your readers thought he had heard a Microsoft Vista startup sound .This is not the case. The system uses the Linux operating system.
Reading your bus journeys online: For most customers they will be able to see their bus travel details online usually within a 24 hour period. On occasion, this does not occur and can take 2-3 days to process due to the scheduling of various operational functions.
20 Comments
August 6, 2008 at 7:54 pm
If Snapper isn’t a bus ticket, why is Go Wellington killing the 10 Trip tickets? No sir, I am not happy and will be walking much more once there is no choice but Snapper on the buses.
August 6, 2008 at 8:35 pm
“It is Snapper Services who provide the Snapper system which is a payment system used for various types of transactions, including bus fares. Snapper Services is responsible for the performance of that payment system and any issues experienced with Snapper cards should be taken up with Snapper Services directly.”
Nah, I’m not buying that. NZ Bus are the ones who are replacing the concession fare that their regular customers like. NZ Bus are the ones who are imposing this. NZ Bus are the ones who give us the expectation that it’s an acceptable method.
In any case, Snapper don’t have representatives on all buses to troubleshoot problems – the only people we passengers can deal with are the poor old drivers, NZ Bus employees. NZ Bus should be giving them the discretion to give freebies and claiming the fares off Snapper, which would would put the incentives to have a working system on the right party.
(And aren’t NZ Bus and Snapper both owned by Infratil? Right hand, please talk to left hand.)
August 6, 2008 at 8:38 pm
A comment about the “No value on card” section:
I purchased a card online, (with $20 credit) and went to use it, onto to hear an “Insufficient Funds” message. Luckily I had some cash on me. It turns out they sent the card out without loading the balance onto it. They have sent me another one, with the balance on it, so I end up with two snapper cards out of it.
Anyway, customer error is certainly not the only way a snapper card may have no balance on it.
August 6, 2008 at 10:27 pm
This morning I got on a bus at my usual stop – outside the Paramount of Courtenay Place. When I tagged on, the Snapper reader told me that the minimum charge for my journey would be $1.30 (a one-zone fare) not the $1.00 city zone that I’d actually be travelling. I’m not sure what went on there, but it will be interesting to see what shows up on my transaction list.
I’m still confused as to why the “change management process” involves sending out buses with Snapper readers installed but not activated. This morning I saw a disappointed man turned away from using his brand-new Snapper card on a Snapperless bus. When I told him not all Go Wellington buses had them, he seemed confused as to why such a thing was happening.
And here’s a funny thing – the bus stopped and a number of passengers got off. One lady had an X when she was tagging off and took a bit longer while she tried again. A queue of about six people formed behind her. The driver must have thought they were just standing passengers, not going anywhere, so he shut the rear door and started to move off, before they yelled at him to stop. Change in behaviour required!
August 6, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Bruce Emson should really look at his own advertising. Walked down Newlands Road to the Adshel (ironically, Snapper not accepted there) to photograph the huge poster.
Branded Go Wellington, it screams ‘It saves you money And it saves you carrying any.’ Sure some Snapper branding but no Snapper Services branding.
The clear impression given to a reasonable person is that to get on with bus with Snapper, you don’t need cash. Checkmate Bruce!
August 7, 2008 at 4:10 pm
What drives me nuts about this answer is the if your card fails then you have to have an alternate method of payment. It was pretty difficult for the old 10 trip ticket to fail. I carry a bus pass so I don’t have to worry about whether I have enough cash on me for a bus trip
August 8, 2008 at 10:03 pm
The Snappette on the bus this morning was telling people that people presenting Snappers on non-Snapper enabled buses would ride free (or words to that effect).
If true, this would fix at least some of the current problems people are having.
August 9, 2008 at 1:43 pm
My $1.13 fare on Wednesday morning has a bizarre explanation. Snapper has me logged as both boarding and alighting at the same stop in Miramar, several kilometres from my actual $1.00 bus journey from Courtenay Place to Lambton Quay!
Then the next day, an evening journey from Lambton Quay to Victoria Street was logged as both boarding and alighting at the train station, charging me $1.00 instead of $1.13.
I’ve emailed Snapper with these details. I seriously hope they can get this fixed.
August 9, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I’ve emailed Snapper with these details. I seriously hope they can get this fixed.
As the company management have made clear that they are reading the comments on this blog, I hope they will too.
It would be nice to think the company is using the comments here as their road-testing.
It is in everyone’s interest to have these issues fixed quickly. It is not as if the technology is untested… it is standard in London, Hong Kong, Seoul….
August 10, 2008 at 6:57 pm
NZ Bus’s Bruce Emson arguing that ‘ Snapper is not a bus ticket’ and ‘if for some reason your card fails on the bus, the customer must pay the fare in another way, by cash or some other acceptable method’ is simply not acceptable. Frankly he is using weasel words – his company is removing our access to 10 trip tickets and heavily promoting Snapper as the alternative as others have pointed out.
For his argument to hold any water they would have to be continuing the 10 trip tickets. I certainly will be demanding my ride for free the first time I catch a bus without Snapper working or if the bus will not accept my card, I don’t carry cash and I’m not going to start just because NZ Bus don’t want to stand behind the technology they have imposed.
August 11, 2008 at 9:32 am
I got a reply from Paula Symonds at NZ Bus regarding my above situation:
Thanks for your feedback. In regards to you being charged $1 – that is incorrect. There are no one dollar charges with Snapper. The minimum fare is $1.13. We are trying to rectify this problem at present.
This is really weird because I’ve had heaps of trips on the city zone and only been charged the $1 fare. I knew it didn’t get the 25% discount that other Snapper zones get, but I wasn’t expecting it to not apply at all.
Also, my complaint was more that I had been charged for journeys to and from the wrong stops, including a surreal trip to and from the same stop in Miramar (I’ve never been to Miramar!).
I’ve replied asking for more details. If it’s going to cost me $1.13 to pay for a $1 fare with Snapper, I might as well go back to cash.
[Poneke adds: They really haven't got a clue, have they? The $1 city section fare works on Snapper and is the only one that doesn't have a discount. It charges as $1. The $1.13 one is 25pc off the $1.50 zone one fare. My understanding of the technology is that the Snapper reader will show $1.13 when you board in the city section, but actually charge you $1 if you tag off in the city section. They should hire me to explain it to people
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August 11, 2008 at 9:53 am
Even weirder – Paula has suggested I “could email the Snapper website for more information”. Yet my original email that ended up with her was sent to the email address on the Snapper website.
[Poneke adds: Not really surprising. All these entities are owned by Infratil. It's a leanly run company. All the emails might go to the one inbox.]
August 11, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I wonder if the main shareholder in Infratil could get Snapper up and running to expectations – I see from the article below that there has been prior experience across the Tasman in setting up electronic ticketing systems. Perhaps the same success (or lack of) could apply here.
See article below “Infratil investor in another high stakes stoush”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4650606a13.html
August 11, 2008 at 6:06 pm
In response to Bruce’s comment that you have to pay by another method if Snapper isn’t working, using EFTPOS as an example: Seeing as I can sidestep EFTPOS in a shop and pay an equivalent amount in cash for the same item, can I assume I can pay the driver the discounted fare I would have paid via Snapper when snapper isn’t working (and not the full adult fare)?
I suspect a lot of issues on this site would disappear if the 10 trip-concession were not phased out. It would certainly provide a better picture of how attractive snapper is to your average bus-travelling punter, compared to other alternatives (I suspect it would not make happy reading for some though).
August 11, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Alan, smart cards like Snapper are much better and far more versatile than a 10-trip ticket. They can do everything a 10-trip can do and much much much more. They can be used for almost anything a card of any kind is used for, ie, as your work or gym swipe card, to buy your coffee or movie ticket, to use as any kind of public transport pass not just to replace the 10-trip ticket.
The bugs in Snapper will be quickly sorted out. All I am saying is that if you have a Snapper (which is being marketed for now as a bus ticket despite its having much wider potential use) and the bus refuses to accept it, you should not have to pay in cash. Snapper is being marketed as a cash-free bus ticket so it breaches the Consumer Guarantees Act to demand cash if Snapper won’t work on a Go Wellington bus.
And it seems that drivers are now being told this and are not demanding cash when Snapper won’t work.
August 11, 2008 at 9:04 pm
No 3 Karori Park leaving Lambton Quay at 7:20pm today…
A diesel with no Snapper.
Why?
[Poneke adds: And the diesel ex Lambton Quay on the 3 that I climbed aboard at 5.30pm also had no Snapper. I was more pissed off though that there was no sign of a trolley. Again.]
August 11, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Why would they use snapper-less diesels when they have plenty of nice snapper-friendly trolleys?
Why? <—- cry of anguish
I would’ve been happier with a trolley without snapper, it would have felt like some kind of step forward.
August 16, 2008 at 9:56 am
Interesting comment on the Oyster card by one of the big names in security:
http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0808.html#5
“And while these attacks only pertain to the Mifare Classic chip, it makes me suspicious of the entire product line. NXP sells a more secure chip and has another on the way, but given the number of basic cryptography mistakes NXP made with Mifare Classic, one has to wonder whether the “more secure” versions will be sufficiently so.”
August 18, 2008 at 11:24 am
No Snapper? Does that mean you got a free ride? It is a ticket after all…
August 29, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Poneke – do you work for Infratil?
[Poneke says: No. I am a daily bus passenger. Nothing more than that.]