The Snapper smart cards that have been trialled on Go Wellington’s Route 17 buses since April are being introduced across the Go Wellington system from Monday, but it doesn’t seem to have been that well thought-through.
As one of the regular No 17 users given the chance to trial Snapper, I have received an email saying that the dedicated buses with Snapper readers used on the route are being merged back into the wider bus fleet from Monday and that not all No 17s will now have Snapper readers.
“What that means for you is that the bus that picks you up on Route 17 may or may not be Snapper enabled. To ensure that you are not inconvenienced, please ensure that you have an alternative method of payment available to you,” the email says.
This is not something likely to generate enthusiasm for the new payment system. It means that trial commuters used to using Snapper cards (who were, very generously, given cards with $60 already loaded into them) will now need to again make sure they have cash or a cardboard 10-trip ticket in case the bus that turns up doesn’t have a Snapper reader.
From my general observation, Snapper readers have been installed at the front and rear doors of most of Go Wellington’s trolley and diesel buses, so most passengers will get a Snapper-enabled bus most times.
But my reading of the email suggests not all drivers have yet been properly trained in the use of the new system, so the Snapper readers may not be working on all buses.
There also seem clearly still to be technical issues. Twice last week, the drivers of Route 17 buses I was on had to pull over and stop because the Snapper system had stopped and needed rebooting. This caused such a delay with one bus that the next one caught up with it despite the 15 minute timetabled frequency between the two services. And my observation indicates that some Snapper users still have problems getting the reader to accept their card. I gave up trying to use mine and now use still only my Gold Pass because of this problem.
Such a change should not have been made until all buses and drivers were ready for this system, which will soon replace the 10-trip tickets.
Snapper cardholders can also use their cards to buy coffees and other small purchases in various places round town. You put money onto these smart cards either at the retail outlets that sell bus tickets or over the Net, and readers on the bus or in a café or other store deduct the bus trip, coffee or whatever from the balance on the card.
At present, on bus trips, the cards give a 20 per cent discount off the cash fare, which is the same as with a 10-trip ticket. The email I got said there would be a 25 per cent discount once all buses were Snapper-enabled, which seems good. The savings being made by the bus company are being shared with customers.
I am astonished that many regular bus users still pay cash despite the big savings to be gained from a 10-trip ticket (and now Snapper) and the monthly $95 Gold Pass (which is likely to be incorporated into Snapper later this year; a smart card can handle such a transaction easily by charging for all bus rides up to the $95 maximum in a month and then allowing free rides).
On the No 17 I often catch, I see a woman get on each day and pay the driver in cash (the fare is $3.50) when the 10-trip ticket would save her 70c a ride or $7 a week and a Gold Pass would save her around $60 a month. She stands out because she invariably pays with a $10 or $20 note, too, and delays the bus for precious peak-hour minutes while the driver gets her change together. Grrr.
18 Comments
July 12, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Ignoring, for a moment, the fact I use a monthly gold pass…
Why would I buy a snapper rather than using a 10 trip if my 10 trip was guaranteed to be acceptable but my snapper might not work on some buses?
July 12, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Why would I buy a snapper rather than using a 10 trip if my 10 trip was guaranteed to be acceptable but my snapper might not work on some buses?
Because the 10-trip card will be very soon replaced with Snapper, so you will not have the choice.
I am sure they will fix the bugs, but the fixing should have been done before this changeover.
July 14, 2008 at 8:30 am
According to the Dom this morning (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4617844a28.html), the roll out is being delayed, with no reason given, and no new date announced….
July 17, 2008 at 9:24 am
could it be due to the vulnerability of the cards to cloning
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10789_3-9978486-57.html?hhTest
July 21, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I have to say it is disappointing, that considering Snapper is mainstream, the implementation seems to have had little thought.
I have been actively looking to catch Snapper enable buses since the “launch” last Monday (21/7) so I can experience what that is like.
I’ve heard that all GOWellington trollies are now snapper enabled. Which does seem to bear out my experience. Of the three Snapper trips (out of a total of 10 trips), 2 were trollies.
My experience? It has worked seamlessly and was easy and pleasant. I look forward to all buses being snapper enabled.
But I hope that whoever is responsible for planning the rollout, is slapped about the face with a wet snapper. Profusely!
On a positive note, nice to see the signage. It makes you more confident about which form of currency to use.
July 22, 2008 at 11:20 am
Thought about getting one of these and wondered what the benefits would be. Went to their website to check and found their marketing people have also drawn a blank….
https://www.snapper.co.nz/registering/ currently reads “The benefits of registering
First one
Second one
“
July 22, 2008 at 11:20 am
what a waste of money i rek0n payin $15.00 just 2 get a card y not give it out 4 free so more people can get the card…… bulshit idea if you ask me….
July 23, 2008 at 2:13 pm
@DELAX.M.A
“what a waste of money i rek0n payin $15.00 just 2 get a card y not give it out 4 free”
This is such a typical comment from a person with no appreciation or understanding economic reality. Typically you hear this clap-trap from young people. “Give me it, I want it, but I don’t want to pay for it.”
Sheesh.
August 14, 2008 at 11:29 am
I reject this comment completely. Loyalty cards which are designed to attract usage are free. You dont have to buy them.
If there is an evident desire to have people use this type of spending mechanism, which people must pay a transaction fee to put funds onto, it most definitely should also be freely available.
Screw economic reality, what about marketing realities and the need to woo customers?
August 14, 2008 at 12:45 pm
@John
“I reject this comment completely. Loyalty cards which are designed to attract usage are free. You dont have to buy them.”
If indeed it was a loyalty card.
Last time I checked, marketing was part of economics.
August 15, 2008 at 8:21 am
I’ll be getting a Gold card at the end of the month. Why? Because tagging off is a hassle especially when it’s prone to failure but it usually works on the second tag. In the 3 weeks I’ve been using it one bus hadn’t had Snapper installed and another time there seemed to be a widespread failure. Heard on the bus driver’s radio that drivers were instructed to tell passengers to pay by another means or wait until the next service. But the driver just gave people a free ride. By the way, on their website you must name your card to see your card details. Also, you must use Internet Explorer.
August 15, 2008 at 9:07 am
John: their website is confusing because they use terms like “register” and “account” inconsistently.
IE is only required to use USB Snappers or their USB cardreader dongle, which in turn is only required if you want to be able to charge the card with your credit card at home. If all you want to do is charge at a retailers, then the USB stuff is not necessary. You only need an email address to create an account that will let you check your balance. So I was able to create one with Firefox, and a throwaway email address, and I can sign in and check my card’s balance just fine.
August 15, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Is there a way I can see my transaction list without having to use Windows? I tried and everythign that looked like it might give me a transation list grizzled about my Mac’s lack of ActiveX.
August 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I am suddenly amused by the idea that I’m using Poneke’s blog for Snapper user support
August 15, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Anita:
Go here:
https://www.snapper.co.nz/online/
Then type your number in to “register.”
Then go here with the email address/challenge that you used:
https://www.snapper.co.nz/details/
and it should have links to display your transactions.
The problem is that “quick balance” doesn’t do what you would think – it assumes that you have a USB reader or card and tries to read your actual balance off the card. If I were them, I would be thinking hard about the language used on the site and tweaking it a bit.
August 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Eventually Gold cards will be phased out in favour of Snappers. I’m guessing you’ll be able to pay the monthly fee that will let you use your Snapper in the same manner as a Gold card, but you’ll also be able to have a cash balance on your card for buying things from retailers.
Interestingly, the problem of tagging-off on buses doesn’t apply to Oyster cards in London as the London buses have a flat fare for all trips.
August 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Eventually Gold cards will be phased out in favour of Snappers. I’m guessing you’ll be able to pay the monthly fee that will let you use your Snapper in the same manner as a Gold card
I may be wrong, but my understanding of how it will work is that Snapper will deduct fares from the start of the month for each ride taken, until fares amount to the value of a Gold Pass (now $95 but $99 from September 1), and from then on not charge any further rides until the start of the next month.
School passes would work the same way.
August 15, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Stephen,
I just spent 15 minutes on the phone to the nice Snapper support people. They have sorted out my snapper registration and now it’s all happy
Many thanks, if you hadn’t told me that it should work I would never have known that it was all srcewed up