Tony Andrews, a self-employed Christchurch web-developer, is offering $20,000 of his own money to any of the four “psychics” who appear on TV2’s Sensing Murder television show if they can demonstrate in a simple test that they actually have psychic abilities. “I’m genuinely interested in establishing the truth regarding the abilities of the Sensing Murder psychics,” he tells me. “If spirits exist and some people can communicate with them, then it’s good news for… the whole of humanity, and I would be happy to pay $20,000 to have it validated.”
If people could really talk to the dead, as they claim to do in any number of “reality television” shows and live performances these days, there would, for example, be few unsolved murders, as “psychics” would be able to ask the victims who killed them. Many “psychics” actually claim to be able to do this. Sensing Murder is one of TV2’s top-rating local shows. Its publicity bumpf says it features “gifted psychic mediums…[who]… are challenged to uncover new leads in some of New Zealand’s most chilling unsolved murder cases. The mediums use only their psychic ability to uncover details of the victims.” Cases that have featured include Auckland prostitute Jayne Furlong, who vanished in 1993, presumed murdered; Auckland schoolgirl Agnes Ali’iva’a , found drowned in suspicious circumstances in a ditch in 1992; Tracey Ann Patient, the Auckland schoolgirl murdered in 1976; and Christchurch mother Angela Blackmore, murdered in her home in 1995. Naturally, despite the attentions given to these and many more cases by the show’s “mediums” – Kelvin Cruickshank, Sue Nicholson, Deb Webber and Scott Russell Hill – they have not been solved, not that you will learn that from any of its publicity material.
So-called psychics, mediums and clairvoyants would be harmless entertainment if not for the fact that many people believe they are genuine. They are not. At best, they are entertainers putting on an act that fools many of their audience. At worst, they are complete frauds taking money from gullible people who often cannot afford it. “Psychic” 0900 telephone lines spring to mind here, as some people become addicted, such as Clelia Opie, the Victoria University student association officer fired for making thousands of dollars in calls to a “psychic hotline.” Some people who actually believe what these entertainers and charlatans tell them probably suffer distress as a result. Much police time has been wasted over the years following “leads” from people who claim to have got details of crimes from talking to the dead.
It doesn’t take much effort to learn how “psychics” fool their audiences. They have a standard patter that often begins with a line like “I am hearing voices from someone whose name starts with J who was recently deceased” and goes from there. Even in a small audience, someone will know the name of a dead relative or acquaintance called John, Jane or similar. The New Zealand Skeptics publish a handy checklist of the most common topics, names and phrases “psychics” use when working an audience. Print it off and take it with you next time you pay good money to see one of these people in action.
Tony Andrews says any Sensing Murder “psychic” who participates in his challenge must correctly identify the genders of 20 pre-selected famous dead people from the back of photographs, solely by communicating with their spirits, as they claim to do on the show. They can view and touch the backs of the images but not see the fronts while doing the tests. However, he will let them supply the images, which will each be presented to them in isolation from the others.
“They have up to one hour (I’m flexible on this) to identify the gender of each image, and the test ends if one incorrect gender identification is given. It has to be 100 per cent correct (as it is on the show) or nothing. Each Sensing Murder psychic can only have one attempt and will be automatically disqualified if found to be cheating. The test will be scrutinised and recorded. The psychics can provide any practical number of their own people as scrutinisers. If the gender identification of all 20 images is correct, I will pay the $20,000 in cash or any form requested.”
He has emailed his challenge – he calls it an “invitation” – to the Sensing Murder “psychics,” but has so far received just one response, from the PA for Scott Russell Hill stating “it is against our policy to undergo testing,” which Tony Andrews says is a strange claim, given Sensing Murder claims to have tested all the psychics who appear on it before they were selected. “I was moved to offer the Sensing Murder psychics my own money [because of] their apparent amazing ability to identify the genders of dead people from unseen images. They have apparently done this [on the show] with 100 per cent accuracy at least 32 times. If there is life after death, I’m happy to pay $20,000 to have it validated as a fact.” Watch this space, but don’t hold your breath.
28 Comments
January 14, 2008 at 10:52 am
Brilliant. This program gives me the screaming heebie jeebies for exactly the reasons you outline. It’s a cynical fraud that actively fosters bullshit. Another reason to give up on television.
January 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Excellent stuff – I bet the psychics are queueing up to take the test..not.
Wonder why…? Could they be all deluded nutcases or cynical charlatans? I’m getting a ‘y’ and possibly an ‘e’ and an ’s’….
January 14, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I sent a link to that challenge to the NZ Reality TV web site admin and she has put it up there:
January 14, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Have you watched the show, poneke? If you had, you would have seen how many times the cops have said things such as “It’s amazing to me how accurate they were in regard to the identity of the victim, the method of murder, the location of the crime, and the descriptions of suspects”.
They usually find the location of the crime, the identity of the victim, and the method of killing. I have an open mind on these things, and I am usually pretty gobsmacked at how accurate they are. Do you have an answer as to how they so frequently find the house/name the victim/find the location of the crime, etc?
January 14, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Yes, it’s called “the script.”
January 14, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Good idea, but I doubt you’ll a response from “Sensing”.
As to “Do you have an answer as to how they so frequently find the house/name the victim/find the location of the crime, etc?” I suspect they read the newspaper like the rest of us.
January 14, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Chris said…
As Poneke has pointed out , it is called the script and you can read it here of how the team at Silly Belief has exposed this con by Sensing Murder show psychics & producers .
‘Sensing Murder – Insight’ – A Skeptic Defects to the Dark Side
January 15, 2008 at 7:25 am
Yes, it’s amazing that people are more prepared to believe in spookiness than cheating, even though cheating is much more likely.
It may not just be the script either. Professional psychics have had years of practise doing cold reading. Hardbitten cops may think they give nothing away, but I doubt it.
Also, you never see the bits where they’re wrong, or a cop snorts in derision. They get left in the edit cuite.
January 15, 2008 at 9:07 am
I agree with Stephen’s comments.
I note that the “psychics”, and I use the term loosely, are filmed for about six hours. But only about fifteen minutes, at most, is used for the show. So what happens to the other 5 hours and 45 minutes? The producers have been asked for the footage but they have denied access to it. Why would they do this if everything is kosha?
I’m always amazed that when the psychic is communicating with the spirit, the psychic simply doesn’t say: so what’s your full name? Instead, we get a “well, I see an M and I see an E”. I mean, why are spirits so cruel – don’t they know they’re on national TV? Why don’t the psychics remind them of this fact?
I would also note that no psychic has ever solved a murder – so much for the amazing information that Chris has referred to.
One last point. We usually hear information provided by the psychic and then we hear a voice over saying “that is correct”. What I want to hear is “this is new information that has been provided by the psychic and we will check its authenticity”. But the show simply confirms what the psychic is saying; it doesn’t test the new information (assuming there is any).
January 15, 2008 at 9:31 am
Chris said…
…you would have seen how many times the cops have said things such as “It’s amazing to me how accurate they were in regard to the identity of the victim, the method of murder, the location of the crime, and the descriptions of suspects.
You can read the response to Immortality website from the police here, which says the opposite.
January 15, 2008 at 9:42 am
Having seen the program a couple of times I’ve no doubt that it’s a flat out fraud, as Poneke says, they’re following a script. No guesses needed on their part, the unused filming will simply be them getting their lines right.
January 16, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I havent heard about this program. But I have been out of the country overseas. I’m currently in San Diego and been travelling through out Sth East Asia,done volunteer work. There is a tarot reader on every corner here and I’ve hardly noticed them, no desire to talk, I actually even fogot that I used to go to tarots. It seems like along time ago for me. That’s what happens when you get out of your environment everything changes. There are some good spirtualists out there, but there are highly manipulative scam artists and can tear your life to shreds like mine did. Don’t fall in to the trap it’s hard to get out.
I have healed some aren’t so lucky.
January 16, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Thank you very much for sharing that and updating us on yourself, Clelia. I am glad that your life has turned out for the better since your Vic experience.
January 16, 2008 at 4:21 pm
thanks , interesting blog here , good discussion and essays of substance.
January 23, 2008 at 2:20 am
Hi guys
Just one question,in the latest episode one of the Ghost whisperers (Deb?) claims to have come up with the murderers full name,would that have been public record prior? I know though,i keep waiting for one of these shows to get solved.
Also if it was all legit wouldn’t one of these Whisperers get a redeye flight over to see Madeline in Portugal and wrap that one up aswell.
February 21, 2008 at 10:28 am
My sister Tracey’s case was ‘presented’ on Sensing Murder. The producers tried to contact my family many times before it aired, but my parents were not interested in making a contribution to the programme.
I had the email address of the producer; I contacted her after I’d seen the programme to tell her what I thought of it. She had been very friendly to me when she wanted help with her programme, but she never replied to my email. I also emailed one of the ‘psychics’ (can’t remember now whether it was Deb or the other woman)- she never replied either.
At the risk of having loads of people ridiculing me- I do believe in ‘life after death’. I have seen ‘ghosts’, ’spirits’, call them what you will- both before and after my sister was murdered, in England and NZ (in a flat and the house we lived in, in Henderson). I haven’t ‘called on’ them or anything; they have just turned up of their own accord. I know I sound like a nutter, but I also know what I’ve seen. I have never seen or heard from my sister and I don’t believe those ‘psychics’ did, either. It was painful, to say the least, for me to watch the programme, but I felt that I had to. As soon as they started to say that Tracey was talking to them I knew it was a load of rubbish.
I don’t really know what point I want to make here, I just felt like I wanted to say my bit.
July 14, 2008 at 3:22 pm
We need to be careful before we label people frauds or charlatans. I am a psychologist by training and spent nearly 30 years is industry interviewing, assessing and evaluating people. I feel I have seen very trick in the book. I am more skilled at this task than most. I am also very skeptical by nature.
Last year my ex wife was spurred on by a friend to have a consultation with Kelvin Cruikshank. When she had to go overseas on a short notice trip she persuaded me to go in her place. My first thought ‘yeah right’ but I went anyway, mainly to demonstrate to her that I am open minded.
I can tell you that after my consultation I felt as if I had been run over by a train!
Kelvin asked me no questions, made no prompts, and I quite steadfastly refrained from make comment or giving clues. Just as any psychologist would.
After saying hello he just launched into an hour of detailed free form information. He did not make a single factual mistake. He identified without prompting the names of my dead parents, dead father in law, brothers and sisters names and occupations, and he provided a whole host of quite detailed personal information that I won’t go into here. He gave me a tape of the session which I have listened to several times now. He was totally unknown to me, my family, or any one I know.
My take on him as person is that he is ‘on the up and up’. He is ‘out there’ but I detect no artifice about him at all. In fact he was a very pleasant, articulate, and compassionate person. I should say that I have a very finely tuned ‘BS’ detector.
I have to say he really surprised me. Whether the programme is authentic or not, I can’t say. What I can say is that Kelvin has some kind of gift,
which appears to me to be quite authentic. After the meeting I discussed the matter with another psychologist. She was as just as surprised as I was given the quantity and quality of the information revealed.
It was a real eye opener for me. Being quite a rational person it was also difficult for me to accept, but then I guess science doesn’t yet have the answer for everything yet!
Cheers.
July 14, 2008 at 4:20 pm
No real scientist would *ever* claim that science has the answer to everything, or ever could…the only ‘psychics’ (8 all told) I have met, believed they had
information from psychic sources (the dead, the astral plane, the askhasic record) but also took time to learn a bit about me & mine. I’d call that fraudulent and charlatanery – and rather sad, since nothing conveyed to me actually went beyond what is a matter of public record. I suspect the Kelvins are extremely rare or – and I am *not* suggesting you are anything but competent in your profession and v. rational with b.s detectors fully-armed but this is a very common human response- you are hearing into whatever Kelvin said things that arnt actually directly stated (leaving aside names & occupations which, these days, are amazingly easy to find out from the web…)
I am a total sceptic about ‘psychics’ and so-called psychic phenomena, and shall remain so until incontrovertable evidence comes along. With all due respect (and I mean that!) a personal anecdote
is not such evidence. Kia ora-
July 14, 2008 at 6:00 pm
As well as the $20,000 Poneke mentions above, Stuart Landsborough (of Wanaka’s Puzzling World fame) has an ongoing Psychic challenge offering $100,000, which has had a handful of challengers, but no success. According to him, ‘worldwide, there is over $US 2.5 million offered as prizes to anyone who can prove psychic ability, as yet, none of these prizes have been claimed.’
July 14, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Pete,
You need to be very careful before suggesting or implying that people doing things without evidence backing them have any credibility.
Anecdote, as your example is, is not evidence, nor the singular of data. As an ‘ologist’ you should know this.
As a scientist, ‘ologist’, or even “just” a plain skeptic, you’re supposed to not give credence to something until proof is in.
The “open-minded” thing is overrated, even misplaced, if its not balanced with an insistence for sound evidence.
I wouldn’t want to draw conclusions based on a single blog post, but I sincerely hope that in your professional work you are more insistent on real evidence first. (Or were if you’re retired.)
August 19, 2008 at 10:14 am
It’s surprising how similar your view of psychics is compared to that other psychologist – Nigel Latta, the one that falsely validated psychic Deb Webber. Like Latta you proudly insist that “I am more skilled at this task than most… I should say that I have a very finely tuned ‘BS’ detector” and finished with “What I can say is that Kelvin has some kind of gift, which appears to me to be quite authentic… I guess science doesn’t yet have the answer for everything yet!” I’m with Heraclides on this one, and hope that not all psychologists are as easily fooled as you and Latta, who willingly accept things without good evidence and spread the myth of an arrogant science.
You insist that “Kelvin asked me no questions, made no prompts, and I quite steadfastly refrained from make comment or giving clues.” I would almost guarantee that this belief is false, both in Kelvin not asking questions and your response. Having watched Kelvin on ‘Sensing Murder’ and elsewhere, he asks questions all the time. If he asked you no questions, made no prompts, and you gave no comments or clues, why was it necessary that you sat there for one hour? Why didn’t he just meet with you, then send you home and later send you a tape of him talking to himself for one hour, which you insist is all he actually did? It’s perfectly obvious to everyone else that you had to be there for him to glean information from.
Also your belief that “He did not make a single factual mistake. He identified without prompting the names of my dead parents, dead father in law, brothers and sisters names and occupations, and he provided a whole host of quite detailed personal information” is unbelievable. In ‘Sensing Murder’ the psychics often can’t guess the victim’s first name and never even attempt their surnames, yet you claim he got at least seven names and their occupations for your family. If he can do this for you in one hour, where the outcome isn’t really vital, why can’t he do this on ‘Sensing Murder’ where a reading might last six or more hours and he is trying to identify a murderer?
I’m sorry Pete, but like Latta, you have been conned. It’s what they do.
August 19, 2008 at 10:23 am
Oops… Sorry but my previous post was directed to Pete the psychologist’s post.
December 30, 2008 at 9:47 am
Having seen the program a couple of times I’ve no doubt that it’s a flat out fraud, as Poneke says, they’re following a script. No guesses needed on their part, the unused filming will simply be them getting their lines right.
Different strokes for different folks. Everyone finds solace and comfort in different things. Some feel they are actually being given a tremendous service.
February 17, 2009 at 9:23 am
In my teens, and early 20’s I was impossible! By that I mean the slightest hint or whiff of anything so called ‘Paranormal’, ‘Psychic, ‘Medium’ etc etc..I would just leap upon. So rude, abnoxious and offensive was I to these ‘idiots’ and ‘thieves’ that mates and family alike actively kept others away from mentioning stuff, due to amount offense I had caused. In 1991 I actually made some poor woman, who thought she was trying her clairvoyant best, weep…and was really happy and proud for it. I look back at myself and cringe on it now. But that’s my ‘foundation’.
In 1992, having been ‘infruriated’ by someone who refused to get upset by one of my tirades, I found myself being cornered by a very calm and unflapperable individual….and this annoyed me to being duped to take up the gauntlet of going to have a reading at the Institute Of Psychic Studies, London. I knew I was going to be able rip the person to pieces, and I gave them nothing, and kept my ‘Poker’ face on, smug I was gonna blow the whole thing out of the water once and for all. The truth of the matter is that you can’t rightly knock what you refuse to experience for yourself…otherwise you comments are B.S….and I don’t care what the subject matter is. You can’t tell a car mechanic they are shit if you you don’t even know how to change car wheel right?
Anyways….After 1 hr I walked back out of that building and couldn’t say a word. I was like it for almost 2 weeks, and to say it had a profound effect on me is an understatement. I still have the tape…..an I didn’t have to worry about ‘not giving the person anything to go on’ because she did the whole reading sat ’side on’ to me, with her eyes shut from start to finish. During this time she specifically picked up my mother and father’s lifestyles…a very specific legal issue, the players involved in that, the reason for the litigation, and the ‘present’ progress on that (at the time of the reading), exactly where my properties were, two extremely accurate health issues (one of which I hadn’t even told my other half about yet…because I didn’t want her to worry unduly), and she also picked up (in advance!) the later misdiagnosis of my lady’s stomach problems….when they were really ovarian related. Had I not had the ‘heads up’ on the latter, we would not have dealt with it quick enough by catching it early. I had been primed about the problems nearly 14 months in advance!
In 2001 I was invited on a TV programme in London, hosted by the petulent big mouth Robert Kilroy. I was invited as a ‘once skeptic, now turned believer’ type, and was asked to speak. At the programmes studio was fellow Kiwi (sorry man but you make ashamed Nick!) Nick Pullar, and his his other three plonker friends, Chris French, Nick Davies, and another guy inaptly called Wiseman. (You dont like comments, just remember I returning their energy back to them!)
You have to understand that none of the psychics, healers, or other scientifically educated people on the programme ever spoke out of turn, never interupted other people, and didn’t lower themselves to petty infantile insults at any time. However these sceptics couldn’t help themselves. Nick Pullar ranted at people like a demented child that had had his toys taken away, and then it dawned on me that he was ‘me’, as I was, all those years ago…and I hated it, and him for it, and still do. I watched him do exactly what I had done to others, and it was very very uncomfortable.
At the end of the programme, with these 4 guys spouting all the usual sceptical rhetoric that exposed they were as ill-informed as they were prejudiced, they tried to corner me in the carpark outside. Nick Pullar led a bit of a charge on how I needed “being brought back to reality”….and the others were firing scientific platitudes on immutable values they had ‘gained’, from never truly exploring the subject matter. They think to ‘test’ a psychic or healer is to not allow them to work in their own environment, take away their tools, and then proclaim they have proof these people ‘don’t work’. I say, converse to my earlier analogy, if you take a mechanic tools away, then take him out of the garage, and then tell he can’t touch the car, and can only look at it briefly, from a huge distance, for a time predetermined by someone else…..can you honestly be surprised if this person then can’t tell you wants wrong with your car?…Doesn’t mean he’s not a good engineer, he’s just not been given a fair crack to prove it…..but you can’t tell them that. They don’t want to listen…and that worries more than anything else. Scientists are supposed be ‘explorers’ after all. Comments like ‘I have never been to medium, but I know they are all crooks!’ (Nick Pullar that was!)…smats of far more B.S. comment to me than someone saying “I am getting your dead Grandmother coming through….”
Before anyone leaps on me, just remember, the 4 sceptics mentioned here are part of The Randi Bunch…as in James Randi…This the man who has now been proven to have lied regularly and consistantly in his so called ‘irrefutable debunking’ of many a paranormal event, and psychic study, much ot fury of scientists involved (see just one of many examples in link below). He has reinvented results to meet his own beliefs, has apologised (though never officially) to a large number of scientists for unfairly trashing true scientific study into the phenomena, and these sceptic guys use him as their main benchmark for comment!? If so, I rest my case.
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/exam/Prescott_Randi.htm
I realised, whilst trying to defend my own personal experience, that as far as they were concerned ‘you’ are (by implication then) deluded…because ‘your’ experience has been somehow twisted, manipulated, conned, and cunjured to make one think it’s real…thereby basically, by implication, calling me a liar! Ask yourself if you would stand for it!?
I pulled out my tape, and said to them, as I have said to Randi since (with no response either!), “Please take my tape, analyse it, and SHOW me where she did this con trick”. I continued, “Show it to me, and I will not only join your ranks, but actively pursue trashing these mediums for the rest of my living days….and I will claim my damn money back from her too!”…But amazingly they refused. I then begged them, and they still refused….these dead cert’ people that reckon they know how its all done, and every little sneak and con trick, and how it’s all got a logical explaination just wouldn’t go near it…..and all I was saying was …”Yeah, ok I believe you….so show me how it was done!” …But they wanted me to believe them blindly, just because they said it was so…..and in the end I realised….wasn’t that exactly what they blamed the psychics for supposidly doing?
In 2005 I spoke to a DCI inside in the Met’ police who happened to be on the same wedding as a guest. I had never met the guy before, but a love of rugby and beer bonds men with ease right?…Anyway, he admitted that they (Met’ Police)had had the most extraordinary results using mediums/psychics, and he knew the U.S. police departments, and the FBI had had the same. I never his comment….”In what we do we dont’ have time to judge …I don’t know how it works, and frankly I dont have time to even want to know…” But this was the view of a respected officer who had been stunned in the late 80’s by being told exactly where a murdered body was, that would have “otherwise have remained undiscovered”.
Take it from someone who previously has actively ripped into these people as if they had committed murder themselves….and I tell you, its not ALL crap…so wise up, and open your mind…because if you make it all sterile emperical, you can overlook the life in the miracle.
Thanks for your time.
February 17, 2009 at 11:38 am
Anecdotes are not evidence…
February 17, 2009 at 11:54 am
Neither is blatant dismal…sceptic!
…and tell that to James Randi, Keri.
With respect to Keri…and any other sceptics here that might want to wheel out these old tiresome chestnuts of sweeping statement ( I was saying exactly the same things 20 years ago), it’s akin to politicians saying, “I can’t comment on individual cases…” when they are pinned down to look at how one of their sweeping ‘one size fits all’ laws has effected one individual from a whole affected nation….Just remember (and take it from this para-legal) since courts were first invented, every piece of ‘evidence’ that ever won a case or lost it was purely ‘anecdotal’ until sworn in as a statement of fact. If I put my above ‘anecdote’ on an Affidavit Keri, sworn in, you would have to prove me wrong or lose, and your comments would count for nothing, in the same you have tried to dismiss mine. You would need little a more evidence than just short dismissive rhetoric purely for its own ends. I dont have to justify what I experienced with the psychic, you weren’t there, so you have no basis for comment (just doing what guys do there), but what I wrote was more as an account of the blinkered offensive behaviour of most petulant sceptics in the face of attempts at muture discussion on the subject. I have never known it possible without them getting very angry, and childishly resulting to insults or ignorant illogical statement. My tape is my ‘evidence’ and the big names were way to scared to go anywhere near it….in case there were, just maybe, some things for which they had no smartass answers. I dont agree that all psychics or mediums are legitmate ( I, for one have never said that, nor ever will), in the same way as there are cowboy car mechanics. My comments were more to discuss my experience that it is the attitude of most sceptics that stinks!…I should know, I was one : )
NB: No fluke then that when I was cornered after the TV programme, the one thing that inflamed them more than anything was when I asked the question, “What are you affaid of….the fact that maybe one thing from all the billions of documented cases might be right?…And anyway, where’s your proof its ALL flam!?”…they refused to answer the latter.
James Randi is the the top of tree regards the sceptic clan, and your leader has been found out for lying, cheating, doctoring and refusing to officially apologise for trashing quality work that brought up some startling wonderous laboratory-controlled results. This is not just comment, this is fact!
(Randi was a one-time magician who wasn’t good enough to cut it…..so think he might be grinding an axe somewhere on those who claim do it for real?…But thats conjecture for which I apologise.)
February 17, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Scepticism, I think you mean. ‘Blatant’ and ‘dismal’
are not words I would apply to sceptics – or scepticism. It is simply an attitude of disbelief to claims of – for instance- psychic abilities until evidence (for me, scientific evidence) is provided for them.
You havent provided any – merely statements about your own early obnoxious behaviour, and why you changed it.
I have no intention of telling anything to James Randi.
February 17, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Before his death….Flint said interview…”Yes, I have to admit now that I can safely say I am the most tested medium this country has ever produced and, I will add, the medium most willing to be tested…. I have been boxed up, tied up, sealed up, gagged, bound, drugged and held, and still the voices have come to speak their messages from an afterlife. When first I began to allow myself to be tested, I was naïve enough to believe that if the tests were successful the scientists and researchers who had carried them out (under their own conditions, not mine) would proclaim to the world the truth of what they had found. All too soon I learned the hard way that many of those who call themselves researchers have predetermined ‘values’ of their own which preclude belief in a meaning or purpose in man’s existence or in the possibility of a life after death, no matter what the research data concludes.”
Go read up….Flint was tested for 10 years…and they tried everything to find just ’something’ to set him up as an example ….and could not do it. You want scientific proof Keri?…It’s right there……go read. Or is your ego bigger than the facts?
“Simply an attitude”…Yep, that would be about right. Actually ther ei masses of scientific evidence. The British production company called Channel 4 did a 6 part programme in the 90’s called ‘The Heretics’ It studied the indepth research programmes of 6 leading scientists in their field, all at the top of their games, who daree to investigate things that could easily be explained by conventional science. And the difference you see…..science refuses to move on and evolve regards its learning. If you are a professor in your filed, and having blow smoke up your backside for being top of league, and then something comes along that means you have to relearn what you have taken a lifetime to achieve, most are just not willing to go there.
Anyway, these 6 individuals, studied six different facets of ‘paranormal’ behaviour, and having provided the pure ‘empiracle to the miracle’, and then proudly offered their new groundbreaking findings to their peers, all were ignored, and in some cases ostracized and had their funding pulled. Not the behaviour befitting the ‘exploration’ of our cosmos that clinic science professes to be. Science is a hyopcrite, and has been for over a hundred years.
If you honestly want to look scientific data (and I doubt you rely do beacsue you seem to have made up your mind lrady…unfortunately) go to studies done on Leslie Flint (who died 1994) and is still the most experimented on psychic ever tested by science! Leslie Flint (d. 1994) was an extraordinary British direct voice medium (his talent consisted of helping discarnate voices manifest independently of his body). Flint was never found guilty of fraud. On one occasion, he was tested while his mouth was taped and a throat microphone attached to his neck to spot any use of his vocal chords.
“Simply an attitude”…Yep, that would be about right. Actually ther ei masses of scientific evidence. The British production company called Channel 4 did a 6 part programme in the 90’s called ‘The Heretics’ It studied the indepth research programmes of 6 leading scientists in their field, all at the top of their games, who daree to investigate things that could easily be explained by conventional science. And the difference you see…..science refuses to move on and evolve regards its learning. If you are a professor in your filed, and having blow smoke up your backside for being top of league, and then something comes along that means you have to relearn what you have taken a lifetime to achieve, most are just not willing to go there.
Anyway, these 6 individuals, studied six different facets of ‘paranormal’ behaviour, and having provided the pure ‘empiracle to the miracle’, and then proudly offered their new groundbreaking findings to their peers, all were ignored, and in some cases ostracized and had their funding pulled. Not the behaviour befitting the ‘exploration’ of our cosmos that clinic science professes to be. Science is a hyopcrite, and has been for over a hundred years.
If you honestly want to look scientific data (and I doubt you rely do beacsue you seem to have made up your mind lrady…unfortunately) go to studies done on Leslie Flint (who died 1994) and is still the most experimented on psychic ever tested by science! Leslie Flint (d. 1994) was an extraordinary British direct voice medium (his talent consisted of helping discarnate voices manifest independently of his body). Flint was never found guilty of fraud. On one occasion, he was tested while his mouth was taped and a throat microphone attached to his neck to spot any use of his vocal chords.