If the ACT Party was still relevant, the parliamentary press gallery – which foamed at the mouth over the Exclusive Brethren supporting National – would be in apoplexy over ACT’s vice-president declaring himself to the right of Hitler and Mussolini, who he describes, seriously, as left-wing. Alas, this interesting piece of news has gone unreported in the mainstream media.
Trevor Loudon is a long-time, prominent Christchurch anti-communist who was elected vice-president of ACT in March 2006. He edits the blog New Zeal which reflects his fervour, posting regular articles about any Kiwi political activist who is even faintly left of centre, linking them to communist, leftist and anarchist people and organisations both local and international. He must have more files on some people than the police or the SIS. Some of his articles are interesting, others are just plain batty. Some on the Urewera 17 seem dangerously close to contempt of court as they appear to give suppressed details from the police affidavit used to get the search warrants used for last October’s “terrorist” raids, that affidavit having been briefly posted on a US web site last month.
The Left does not remain mute in the face of Loudon’s unrelenting attacks on it. In the comments section of an article on the leftist Indymedia website attacking him last week, anonymous posters claimed among other things that he was on a database of suspected child molesters. Another offered to supply his alleged Northwood, Christchurch, home address and phone number, which looked more than a little thuggish. Loudon responded on New Zeal, saying “as the parent of young children you can see how this sort of carry on might be intimidating on several fronts. I’m stating here that I no longer live in Northwood, because I don’t want someone else to suffer harassment or property damage on my account.” Fair enough.
But what jumped off the screen at me was this remark by Loudon in the comments section of that response: “I regard National Front types as left wingers – as were the Nazis and the Italian fascists.” It struck me as amusing that Loudon, an avowed right-winger and proud of it, was putting himself on the right of Hitler and Mussolini by claiming they were left wingers. I posted a response to an article about Loudon and Indymedia on the Not PC blog saying: “Trevor certainly knows how to wind them up though. In the comments section of one of his posts he says he regards the National Front, the Italian fascists and the German Nazis as left wing. I kid you not.” Loudon took that as a call to arms and has since posted a lengthy article on New Zeal called Why fascists are leftists. In it, he describes the political continuum as he sees it.
“On the far left you have extreme collectivism – Stalinism, North Korean socialism, Spartanism, Pharoahism, the Incan state, Plato’s beehive, left wing anarchy,” he says. “A little closer to the centre – but not much – you have East German Socialism, Nazism, Italian Fascism, modern Chinese communism, Cuban socialism, Iranian theocracy, Putin’s Russia, most of Africa. Further towards the centre you have the European Union, Sweden, modern South Africa, most of Asia and Latin America. In the centre you have the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the UK. To the right, you once had Thomas Jefferson’s USA, Disraeli’s Britain and 1980’s Hong Kong. On the far left is the total state or total collectivism. The individual is nothing. The collective is all. On the far right you have no state. The individual is all. By this definition it is easy to see why I class the National Front and other fascists as leftists. Hitler was a National Socialist who recruited thousands of ex-communists to the Nazi Party. ‘Beefsteak Nazis’ they called them – brown on the outside, red in the middle. Mussolini was a Marxist who edited the newspaper of the Italian Socialist Party. I believe in the bare minimum of government. I believe the tiny state should be controlled in the strictest possible manner by a written constitution. I believe in free markets and individual liberty. I am not a right anarchist, but I am as close as you can get without crossing the line.”
This is an extraordinary declaration by a man who confirmed to me today that he is still the vice president of a political party represented in our Parliament, at least until March when his term expires (surprisingly, the ACT website has has no listing for its vice-president or any of its board members, just a December 4 entry that says “coming soon”). One can imagine the headlines if the Labour Party president proclaimed he was to the left of Stalin, or if members of a fringe religious cult were revealed as secret, wealthy campaigners for National. Oops, the latter actually happened, and the media still bang on about it. All I can assume is that ACT has been so written off by the parliamentary press gallery that these and other statements on New Zeal are viewed as not worth mentioning.
Trevor Loudon has a long, interesting involvement in what the media used to describe as the “right-wing fringe” of New Zealand politics. Like fellow Cantabrian David Henderson, whose fight with Inland Revenue was championed by ACT leader Rodney Hide and dramatised in the recent film We’re Here To Help, Loudon first came to media attention in the 1980s as a follower of the curious, only-in-Christchurch Zenith Applied Philosophy movement. ZAP was created by an expelled Scientologist, John Dalhoff, who called himself John Ultimate and claimed his home in Clyde Rd, Fendalton, was the “centre of the universe.” ZAP was (and presumably still is because it still exists and Loudon says he is still a member) staunchly anti-communist and anti-union. It had a bookshop in the Warners Hotel building in Cathedral Square that sold literature from the likes of America’s far-right John Birch Society. Some of its members, including Dalhoff, were on the mailing list of the New Zealand League of Rights, whose demise I wrote about last month. ZAP followers owned various small businesses around Christchurch that sometimes got into trouble with unions for not paying award wages. Loudon went on to be involved in the Campaign for a Soviet-Free New Zealand, which waged a crusade against Lada cars, which were made in communist Russia.
Trevor Loudon has never hidden his anti-communist and ZAP activities and seems proud of them. He describes them in some detail in a February 2006 New Zeal article responding to questions directed at him by Greens co-leader Russel Norman. “I have studied at ZAP from 1976 to 1982, 1986-7 and 1999 to current,” he says. “I am enjoying my studies immensely at the moment and plan to continue indefinitely.” In the article, Loudon admits being embarrassed for painting the Business Round Table as a communist front during the Cold War, but says certain Round Table members deserved strong condemnation for trading with the Soviet Union, adding: “I hold similar views about those who advocate trade with China today and believe we should cut trade ties to that country until it becomes a civilised nation.” There is much more in the same vein and I recommend you read it. If you weren’t alive during the Cold War, much of it might be hard to comprehend, but Trevor is still waging that war and New Zeal very much captures the flavour.
Postscript: The Hive, which with Quest for Security was so irked at Trevor Loudon this week for an attack on the innocuous New Zealand-China Friendship Society that it had a go at him, has posted an article asking, perhaps rhetorically, whether in Trevor’s world, is there anyone who is not part of a communist front organisation?
19 Comments
January 13, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Another excellent read!
January 13, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Not impressed.
That headline was irresponsible and mischeivous and you know it.
To befair you did quote me accurately later, which will go some way to clearing up the misunderstanding and slur the first part of your post conveys.
I will make it very clear-I was saying that EVERY political moderate, social democrat, conservative or libertarian is to the right of Hitler and Mussolini because they were in reality leftists.
By that standard, you yourself Poneke are well to the right of Hitler.
To extrapolate that perfectly reasonable arguement into your headline is completely misleading.
I honestly thought better of you Poneke.
Another point. I never accused the Business Round Table of being a “communist front”.
I accused some of its members of being irresponsible for trading with the Soviets, particularly in inviting the Soviet fishing fleet into our waters. In the context of the 1980s Pacific “cold war” I’m proud of that stand.
I am also proud to oppose increasing NZ trade with China, which I see as an aggressive bully, which should be opposed. You can quote me here-I see China as the Nazi Germany of our era.
I am proud of my views and proud of my associations.
I do not mind them being reported on an discussed, but I do object to being irresponsibly misrepresented in order to slur my political associates.
So Poneke, I’m asking you to re-write the above article removing the offensive passages I have indicated.
I know you have integrity, so I am thanking you in anticipation of making the appropriate changes.
January 13, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Trevor Loudin is on the right (no pun intended) track.
The roots of both the original fascist and nazi parties were to the left.
Mussolini was a senior member of the Italian Socialist Party before splitting with them over the party’s policy of pacifism during World War One. However, he took many of the principals of socialism into the programme of the Fascist Party he founded after the war.
The party Hitler first joined was the German Workers’ Party made up of ex servicemen and working class people. He combined their left wing policies with ultra nationalist ideas in creating the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
Both of these “new” parties had innovative and strongly worker focused labour and social policies, which have since become integrated in labour and welfare laws throughout much of the western world.
The outfits and ideologies which are today tagged as fascist or nazi, bear no resemblance to the originals and indeed they are not.
January 13, 2008 at 3:00 pm
I think the mistake people make is thinking politics is one dimensional, there’s degree of state control of social issues and the degree of state control or ownership of economic factors.
Everyones seen the libertarian vs statist x liberal vs conservative grid.
The fact that many fascists started off as socialist isn’t a valid argument that fascism = socialism, unless you’re prepared to argue that ACT is socialist party because its principle founders were ex Labour government ministers.
January 13, 2008 at 3:03 pm
I don’t see anything irresponsible about this post. Even the headline draws attention to TL’s views being so divergent to most people that the views are likely to do more than raise eyebrows. (I’d agree that the Nazis and Italian Fascists were economically to the left BTW) As an official of a political party it’s just being precious to be outraged about your views being dissected, even if you do disagree with the points being made.
“Trevor certainly knows how to wind them up though. In the comments section of one of his posts he says he regards the National Front, the Italian fascists and the German Nazis as left wing. I kid you not.”
This is actually a similar argument made by some of NZ’s neo-fascists. They appear to consider their anti-economic liberalism a sign that they are the true right wing. http://www.nationaldemocrats.org/faqs.htm
If anything this simply demostrates how silly a one dimensional political spectrum is.
January 13, 2008 at 4:05 pm
The point being missed here is that Trevor is a Libertarian….not a right winger.The blurred terms right and Left are at the heart of the confusion here.Trevor as a Libertarian is oppossed to the inition of force….an inescapable prime factor of all forms of Socialism.Force is the final backstop for those who want to mould the lives of others.This common factor is what links Socialism to fascism,communisim and all the other decendents of collectivism….
January 13, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Ah yes..hmmmm well i don’t know. Act seems to be a repose for those who made a lot of money and don’t want anyone poking about asking how they got it. Todds made cars, Skellerups made plastic things but what did the property investors do? I posit two types of wealth creation 1) vertical 2) horizontal ..ie just a transfer from Peter to Paul.
January 13, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Isnt this a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black, I mean, it only takes 2 secs of reading NewZealots to see that same sensationalist styled headlines all through his webblog.
January 13, 2008 at 9:55 pm
You might find this amusing – I love the first comment.
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/search?q=my+best+ever+threat
I think most of the press gallery are on holiday at the moment (except for poor old Paula Oliver). Most of ‘em seem to start back tomorrow – maybe they’ll give Trevor the attention he seems to crave.
And its been a core tenet of online wingnuts the world over that Hitler and the rest of the fascist leaders were left-wing socialist types (its an obvious progression from Nuremberg and Auschwitz to Woodstock and protesting the Springbok Tour as far as they’re concerned.)
January 14, 2008 at 9:33 am
Trevor’s view on the political spectrum is a bit dodgy. For instance, how the f*ck is Nazism collectivist? It’s about killing ‘inferior’ groups of people – it is a hierarchical system, not a collectivist system.
I would define the Left as being equalitarian, and the Right as hierarchical. But the Right is split between different forms of hierarchy, and whether it is explicit or epiphemenonal (Right-liberalism).
And Trevor is well known for being out of his mind.
January 14, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I would define the Left as being equalitarian, and the Right as hierarchical. But the Right is split between different forms of hierarchy, and whether it is explicit or epiphemenonal (Right-liberalism).
Hmm, someone better tell every left wing political organisation to the right of unreformed Marxists and anarchists. The others all tend to have rather hieararchical structures.
I’m tempted to post this comment on Not PC, it’d set off a clamour that would slow the entire internet!
January 14, 2008 at 7:56 pm
As always, very good and well-researched post Poneke! It’s a wonder that Loudon can get away with such extreme accusations when he is so thin-skinned about comments regarding his own politics.
January 14, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Just to shed some light on the terminology employed by Loudon & co: if you read Hayek’s The Road To Serfdom, the central thesis is that political systems which require central planning tend towards totalitarianism. Hayek describes those systems as “collectivist”, and notes that socialism is a collectivist system, as is fascism. His terminology is consistent and once granted his usage is precise.
People who are big on Hayek but short on logical rigour then conflate collectivist with “left-wing” and “socialist”, which is why they then try to tell you that the Nazis were really a left wing phenomenon and so on. And then they go on to reason that if Nazis and Stalinists are collectivists, then collectivists are all Nazis and Stalinists, presumably because their reading doesn’t include Aristotle. If they stop taking their meds they turn out like Kiwiblog’s Redbaiter, and if they have patronage they turn out like Jonah Goldberg.
By a bizarre coincidence I happen to reading that book right now. It’s interesting how carefully and judiciously and cautiously Hayek expresses himself — he acknowledges all sorts of exceptions and cases where planning or collective action might be a good idea — and yet all I ever hear from people quoting him is an extreme caricature.
January 15, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Here’s Trevor Loudon talking about the Business Roundtable in his mag New Zeal in Feb/March 1989 (page 5) replying to a letter defending the BRT by Roger Kerr.
“The BRT while pushing some good ideas, are in New Zeal’s eye a pretty poor bunch. Several BR members have histories of Soviet contacts or pro socialist activities.” He goes on to provide examples like the fact that Ron Trotter once allowed socialists to cut firewood on his property to raise funds for themselves!
He finished by describing the fourth labour government (roger douglas and co) as “the most marxist government in New Zealand history!”
If only!
January 15, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I wrote a bit about Trevor and ZAP a couple of years ag:
http://publicaddress.net/default,3025.sm
It includes some ZAP background and the observation that it’s difficult to feel any sympathy for Trevor when his ideological panty-sniffing of others is so consistently deranged.
The John Birch Society connection is interesting in light of what’s emerging about Ron Paul though. It seems there are libertarians, and then there are crazy conspiratorial racist nutcases like Paul.
January 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm
If they stop taking their meds they turn out like Kiwiblog’s Redbaiter
Who is, just quietly, associated with the increasingly comical Libertarianz …
January 15, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Loudon wrote You can quote me here
Ok I will.
I see China as the Nazi Germany of our era.
Not that I’m particularly fond of the chinese government, but how many countries has china invaded in the past say 10 or 20 years compared to america?
January 16, 2008 at 8:31 am
Ahhh, so the consensus is what? That National Socialism is right wing?
Wow, has anybody studied political science? I guess the mass collectivised labour initiated by Hitler was make believe, just like the propaganda he used that was similar to what Stalin/Ho Chi Minh used…
Oh but that’s right, he’s in the ACT party so lets throw our better judgement out the window.
You can do better than this Poneke.
January 16, 2008 at 9:18 am
“Ahhh, so the consensus is what? That National Socialism is right wing?”
Well, National is supposed to be right wing and socialism is definitely of the left, but what’s in a name?
The fact that authoritarian dictators stick “Democratic” into the official name of their countries doesn’t make them so.
“I guess the mass collectivised labour initiated by Hitler was make believe”
Did Hitler nationalise BMW, Messerschitt etc? I understood that Germany industrialists did quite well out of Germany’s war mobilisation, less well out of her defeat.
“… just like the propaganda he used that was similar to what Stalin/Ho Chi Minh used… ”
All fanatical politicians speak with forked tongue, no matter their policical orientation.